[Ur] [Bulk] Seeking Ur/Web case studies

[Manu]

Hi Adam

unfortunately I haven't had much time to do much with Ur/Web

I have used Rails in the past, and I've been thinking about giving  
Django a cursory try (on Google App Engine)

I've wanted to code a very very small CMS and I suppose I could do it  
in both Ur/Web and say, Django

unfortunately I can offer you no guarantee on when I would get around  
doin' it.
When do you want to collect this data ideally ?

My intuition is that for somebody familiar with dynamic languages  
(Django/Rails) and used to imperative programming, UR would take more  
time
Maybe Java/C# people willing to take the plunge and learn FP would  
fare better
The all-round programmer familiar with ML or Haskell, would certainly  
be find UR/Web a win, since a lot of errors would be caught at compile  
time...

The web space is awash with dynamic languages (PHP, Python, Ruby), I  
am not sure why, maybe :
- most web sites are not deemed safety-critical pieces of software  
(the public is used to web sites "not working well all the time")
- a lot of web programmers have no theoretical background in CS and  
dynamic languages seem easier (in the sense 'eat now, pay the bill  
later')

Cheers

Emmanuel




On 12 Sep 2009, at 18:39, Adam Chlipala wrote:

> I'm trying to come up with some data on how Ur/Web compares to the  
> competition (e.g., Rails, Django, etc.).  I'm most interested in  
> programmer productivity, because performance is so much better than  
> anything else that it's almost embarrassing to give details. :)   
> Security is interesting, too, but hard to quantify.  (Even harder  
> than productivity, which is already pretty hard!)
>
> Is anyone out there working on any real applications with Ur/Web?   
> Is anyone interested in attempting a smallish trial project?  I can  
> provide very detailed and timely (I hope) support/advice for anyone  
> doing this, and I would very much appreciate the chance to gather  
> data!
>
> From my perspective, the ideal project would be very close in  
> functionality to versions already implemented in one or more of the  
> popular web frameworks, enabling reasonably apples-to-apples  
> comparison.
>
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